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mastermc
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program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:13 pm

Ever since i updated win 10 to the latest version , everything won't start anymore no mater what i do , even the portable won't start . the 32 bit version and the 64 bit version . I wonder if i could get an older version to work ?

Where can i find an older version ?

Thanks

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:20 pm

I just tried previous versions and nothing works .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:58 pm

also i can't reinstall the program anymore . when i reinstall it goes through the regular process but actually does not make an installation folder and does not make a shortcut on the desk top and the program does not show up in the start meny . It's really messed up it's like it pretends to install and actually does nothing .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:46 pm

> i updated win 10 to the latest version

What is this "latest version"?

Are you (your User) running as an Administrator?
Are you running Everything as Administrator?
Are you (were you) using the Everything Service?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:35 pm

Yes to all admin and I tried non admin it's not working

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:37 pm

The latest one is the latest one in your download section I cannot remember the number

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:56 pm

I think @therube refers to your Windows version, as you said:
mastermc wrote:Ever since i updated win 10 to the latest version
You can get the Windows version by excuting winver (after Win+R to activate the runbox)
(My version is 1803 (OS Build 17134.165))
Yes to all admin and I tried non admin it's not working
BTW: How were you able to switch between these two if you can't start the program?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:17 pm

i run admin and non admin in the past it was working before the latest 1803 win 10 .

Now nothing works even trying to run as admin . Like i said i uninstalled the everything program and i can't reinstall it anymore . I says it installed but nothing is there in the prgrgam files and no desk top icon shows . As i said it's like it pretends to install .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by horst.epp » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:03 pm

mastermc wrote:i run admin and non admin in the past it was working before the latest 1803 win 10 .

Now nothing works even trying to run as admin . Like i said i uninstalled the everything program and i can't reinstall it anymore . I says it installed but nothing is there in the prgrgam files and no desk top icon shows . As i said it's like it pretends to install .
Everything runs fine here under win 10 1803.
Try to uninstall Everything completely´
and then download and run the portable version from a dir like c:\tools\Everything.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:51 pm

So, to be clear:
- if you run the setup, you are not presented with installation choices?
- There is no Everything in Add/Remove programs? (run appwiz.cpl to check).
- There is no Everything icon in the systemtray (probably hidden at first; expand the list to view all of them)?
- There is no Everything foledr unde c:\Program Files / C:\Program Files (x86)?

In that case, I'll write a script for you to clean up all remainders of previous installations/experiments so that you can start clean.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:09 pm

Just tried the installer (Everything-1.4.1.895.x64-Setup.exe) and noticed that when you choose "Run as administrator" during setup, you don't get to see the startmenu entries, as they are created in the startmenu of Administrator! (That was unexpected ...)

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by void » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:43 am

Sounds like Everything is being blocked by your anti-virus?

What anti-virus do you have?
Please try adding an exception for Everything.exe.
Just tried the installer (Everything-1.4.1.895.x64-Setup.exe) and noticed that when you choose "Run as administrator" during setup, you don't get to see the startmenu entries, as they are created in the startmenu of Administrator! (That was unexpected ...)
That's a bug in the installer. The installer should have been installing the start menu shortcuts as the current user, not as administrator. Same issue applies to the Desktop shortcut.
Added to my Things to fix list.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:23 pm

Hi Just to be clear ,

There is nothing to uninstall since i already unintalled everything the first time that i could not run the program . Since then i have tried running the portable for version 32 bit and 64 bit and it does nothing and it does not run at all . I have tried to install quite a few version of 32 bit and 64 bit but as i said it pretends to install but leaves no trail on my computer , it leaves nothing in the start menu and nothng in the prgram files and nothing on the desktop .

Maybe you could send me that clean up tool as maybe there is some freaky stuff in the regestry .

Thanks

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:00 pm

it does not run at all
To be clear, the UI does not show at all?

Does Everything.exe show as process in Task Manager?


As asked, A/V?


Reboot your computer?
Reboot your computer into Safe Mode?
Any difference there?


Where ever Everything installs to (by default, which I'm not sure of offhand) & likewise where it stores its settings, rename said directories (something like dirname.OLD) such that a new attempt to (run|install) Everything does not see them at all.

(Likely to find install locations starting here, http://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopi ... 456#p22456.)

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:22 pm

no ui even tried rebooting many times and nothing not even in task manager and nothing like i said it's like program pretended to install nut actually puts no trace on my computer

Please explain what i should do in safe mode ?
do you want me to install it in safe mode ?

I need details instructions .

Thanks

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:41 pm

[quote="mastermc"
Maybe you could send me that clean up tool as maybe there is some freaky stuff in the regestry .
[/quote]

I have to write it first, but when done (and tested) will post it here.
BTW: Everything does not do very much in the registry that might block a new installation (possible exeption: the Everything service)

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:38 pm

Please explain what i should do in safe mode ?
do you want me to install it in safe mode ?
Restart computer in Safe Mode.
Click (run) Everything.exe from the "portable" version (&/or see if running the installer version accomplishes anything [or Everything ;-)]).


Download & run ExecutedProgramsList, sort by 'Last Executed On' column, see if Everything.exe turns up?


Check your A/V logs & see if it mentions Everything?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:21 am

idk what av logs are .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:43 am

i just tried the portable and regular installation in safe mode and nothing works .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by Gisle Vanem » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:00 am

mastermc wrote:i just tried the portable and regular installation in safe mode and nothing works .
Are you a member of Microsoft's Insider Preview program?
What Win-10 build version do you have? Run c:\> winver to find out.

This should AFAICS be 1803, OS-build 17134.191 if you use the last stable version.
The latest preview version 1803, OS-build 17692.1004 (which I have on a laptop here) is not stable.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by void » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:38 am

Everything might be trying to launch as admin, which might be blocked by your UAC settings, please try running Everything as a standard user:
  • Right click your Everything.exe
  • Click Properties.
  • Click the Compatibility tab.
  • Uncheck Run this program as an administrator.
  • Click OK.
  • Delete your Everything.ini in the same location as your Everything.exe.
Previous versions of Everything in case anyone is wondering.
System modifications made by Everything if you would like to try manually uninstalling.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:37 pm

this is the version i have
1803, OS-build 17134.191

Void : i tried the properties but run as admin is already unchecked so i tried to run it and it did not work and then i check the run as admin and again nothing works . I tried with the portable and it does not run and i tried to install again and nothing happens.

I don't get it .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:49 pm

it shows that it was executed twice , but actually i executed it many more time and I don't get how this will help me ?

I also don't know where the logs are ?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:41 pm

Here is your cleanup script. Only tested on Win10 (although it should work on Win7 too, but there some options are undocumented)

Instructions:
  • Download opruimen.zip to your system
  • Right-click opruimen.zip
  • Click the General tab
  • Check the Unblock option (if you don't see that option, you're good..)
  • Click the OK button
  • Unzip opruimen.zip to some folder (non-Everything related, as those will be deleted)
  • Right-click opruimen.cmd
  • Select "Run as Administrator"
  • Enter password
  • Answer the questions you are presented.If things are normal, you can answer every question with Y or Y + Enter (but check thoroughly; if it wants to remove C:\ and all contents, better say No :))
That should give you an Everything-free system.
BTW: You can run the script multiple times (although it will have nothing to do the second time)


Do NOT try to install Everything right after that. Instructions for that will follow.
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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:38 pm

TEST installation of Everything:

STEP 1:
  • Download the Portable Zip 64 bit from the voidtools' homepage (currently: https://www.voidtools.com/Everything-1.4.1.895.x64.zip)
  • Right-click Everything-1.4.1.895.x64.zip
  • Click the General tab
  • Check the Unblock option (if you don't see that option, you're good..)
  • Click the OK button
  • Unzip Everything-1.4.1.895.x64.zip to some empty folder (let's say C:\TEST).
  • Start CMD
  • issue commands:

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    CD /D "C:\TEST"
    DIR /B
    
    (replace C:\TEST with your folder name)
    The result of those commands should be that you are now in the C:\TEST folder and 2 files are in that folder: Everything.exe and Everything.lng
  • Issue the next two commands

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    Everything.exe -quit
    DIR /B
    
  • You're done
Do you see more files now? What are their names?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:19 pm

i don't know what files i am supposed to be looking for . I did what you said and i don't see anything .

Do I reinstall now or what ?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:22 pm

wow i just tried to run the portable and reinstall the program and as usual nothing happen .

Wow i guess there is no way out here .

Thanks for the help but is there anyway to fix this ?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:57 pm

mastermc wrote:wow i just tried to run the portable and reinstall the program and as usual nothing happen .

Wow i guess there is no way out here .

Thanks for the help but is there anyway to fix this ?
This was just step 1 in the debugging process to find out what'sgoing on and how to fix it.
Actual installation is at least a couple of steps away. Hence my remark:
NotNull wrote:Do NOT try to install Everything right after that. Instructions for that will follow.
BTW: we need better feedback than "nothing happens"/"nothing works". Remember we have no idea what's happening on your system.

Please re-try to answer these questions:
NotNull wrote:Do you see more files now? What are their names?
(or post a screenshot; that might help, too)

If you still see just the two original files, rename Everything.exe to TEST.exe and issue the following two commands (:

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TEST.exe -quit
DIR /B
Do you see more files now? What are their names?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:13 pm

Create a temporary directory somewhere
Copy Everything.exe into it

From a C: prompt within that directory, run:

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C:\TMPDIR\Everything.exe   -instance NODB   -read-only
Does Everything open?

Likewise, what files are now in C:\TMPDIR\ ?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:57 pm

There are no other file names. Nothing happens emplies that when I run the program it's almost the same as doing nothing . Idk how else to explain it .
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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:16 pm

therube wrote:Create a temporary directory somewhere
Copy Everything.exe into it

From a C: prompt within that directory, run:

Code: Select all

C:\TMPDIR\Everything.exe   -instance NODB   -read-only
Does Everything open?

Likewise, what files are now in C:\TMPDIR\ ?
Ok i renamed the file to test.exe and ran the code in cmd and the files remain unchanged with no new files

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:21 pm

therube wrote:Create a temporary directory somewhere
Copy Everything.exe into it

From a C: prompt within that directory, run:

Code: Select all

C:\TMPDIR\Everything.exe   -instance NODB   -read-only
Does Everything open?

Likewise, what files are now in C:\TMPDIR\ ?
it does not open and no new files are created , just the 2 original files open .

Does anyone of you care do do a remote connection in my computer using team viewer or something else to fix my problem or maybe we could voice chat on skype or facebook or whatapp ?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:27 pm

I ran the portable now and it works after i ran the last command you gave me , renaming everything to test .

Anyhow i can't install the program . I mean when i install it it does nothing so i can only use the portable version for now.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:09 am

> just the 2 original files

What 2 files are they?

> A/V?

?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:49 am

I'm out.

This is like walking a mile with frogs in a wheelbarrow: you don't get anywhere as they jump around in all directions.
Simple steps and simple questions should lead to simple, straightforward answers...
Now I have no idea what you did, what the results are and who you are responding to.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:13 pm

NotNull wrote:I'm out.

This is like walking a mile with frogs in a wheelbarrow: you don't get anywhere as they jump around in all directions.
Simple steps and simple questions should lead to simple, straightforward answers...
Now I have no idea what you did, what the results are and who you are responding to.

It's up to you if you don't try to understand what I clearly wrote in my previous post . AND I did answer your questions and we were doing progress . Please learn to read as this what you also expect from me .

I am out more than you

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:18 pm

therube wrote:> just the 2 original files

What 2 files are they?

> A/V?

?
Test.exe
Everything.lng

The new files are

Everything.db
Everything.ini

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:40 pm

mastermc wrote: It's up to you if you don't try to understand what I clearly wrote in my previous post . ...
And here we are at the core of the problem: you *think* that it is clear what you write. It is not.
Please learn to read as this what you also expect from me .
Excuse me!?!?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:18 pm

NotNull wrote:
mastermc wrote: It's up to you if you don't try to understand what I clearly wrote in my previous post . ...
And here we are at the core of the problem: you *think* that it is clear what you write. It is not.
Please learn to read as this what you also expect from me .
Excuse me!?!?

Hence why I asked if you could do voice chat and why you should re read what I wrote as I re read what you wrote and followed your instructions and the portable now works .

At least I can admit it that I re read what you wrote
Don't give me the excuse me answer just re read and you may understand.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by NotNull » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:50 pm

I was going to ignore the rest of your messages and do more useful things, but then realized that this is the perfect example of how *NOT* to react on a forum (or anywhere else for that matter). Good to refer to in other threads (although similar situations don't come up very often)

mastermc wrote:i updated win 10 to the latest version
therube wrote:What is this "latest version"?
mastermc wrote:The latest one is the latest one in your download section I cannot remember the number
(??)

therube wrote:Are you (were you) using the Everything Service?
(unanswered)

NotNull wrote:So, to be clear:
- if you run the setup, you are not presented with installation choices?
- There is no Everything in Add/Remove programs? (run appwiz.cpl to check).
- There is no Everything icon in the systemtray (probably hidden at first; expand the list to view all of them)?
- There is no Everything foledr unde c:\Program Files / C:\Program Files (x86)?
(unanswered, except for the last question and after some guessing, the first one

void wrote:What anti-virus do you have?
therube wrote:As asked, A/V?
(unanswered)

NotNull wrote:Do NOT try to install Everything right after that. Instructions for that will follow.
(And I asked this because doing other installations would screw up the test-set. Then you have no idea where files or settings are coming from ...)
mastermc wrote:i just tried to run the portable and reinstall the program and as usual nothing happen .
NotNull wrote:Actual installation is at least a couple of steps away.
mastermc wrote:Anyhow i can't install the program . I mean when i install it it does nothing so i can only use the portable version for now.
mastermc wrote:
therube wrote:Create a temporary directory somewhere
Copy Everything.exe into it

From a C: prompt within that directory, run:

Code: Select all

C:\TMPDIR\Everything.exe   -instance NODB   -read-only
Does Everything open?

Likewise, what files are now in C:\TMPDIR\ ?
Ok i renamed the file to test.exe and ran the code in cmd and the files remain unchanged with no new files
@therube never mentioned a TEST.exe ....
Interesting thing:
i renamed the file to test.exe and ran the code in cmd and the files remain unchanged with no new files
Followed a couple of posts later by:
mastermc wrote:I ran the portable now and it works after i ran the last command you gave me , renaming everything to test .
(what you did and who you are responding to is unclear)
And: "it works" ??? What happened? What do you see? What changed?, etc. ..

mastermc wrote:Please learn to read
Personal insults instead keeping the eye on the subject: Game Over!!


This list is not complete; just to give people an impression
You probably still don't get what I want to say, but that's okay. It was written for other people reading this, so that they can benefit from it.

Luckily for you, the solution to your problem is pretty simple. You don't need my specific skill-set for that.


NB: A good link on how to correctly post issues on a forum: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
This one also has quite a few useful remarks: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:00 am

Notnull : I am truly sorry about misunderstanding you as you misunderstood me . You are truly not correct about everything you say . Therude should speak for himself .

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:57 am

Hi The issue is all sorted

Davide Carpenter helped me sort everything .

A big thanks to David .

Moderator : please flag this is solved .

Thanks

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by void » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:03 am

Thanks for your help MasterMC with finding the issue.

IOBit Advanced SystemCare 11 was preventing any program called Everything.exe from starting.

Uninstalling and reinstalling IOBit Advanced SystemCare 11 fixed the issue.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by therube » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:00 am

Was that the Free, Pro, or Ultimate?

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by void » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 am

Free

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by horst.epp » Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:43 pm

void wrote:Free
Advanced SystemCare is one of the programs which promise better and faster PCs
by optimizing things which don't need it.
There is no real proven need for any of such tools in actual Windows.

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:01 am

horst.epp wrote:
void wrote:Free
Advanced SystemCare is one of the programs which promise better and faster PCs
by optimizing things which don't need it.
There is no real proven need for any of such tools in actual Windows.
For me it helps a lot along with a few other programs. I really can't agree with you

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Re: program won't start anymore

Post by mastermc » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:04 am

void wrote:Thanks for your help MasterMC with finding the issue.

IOBit Advanced SystemCare 11 was preventing any program called Everything.exe from starting.

Uninstalling and reinstalling IOBit Advanced SystemCare 11 fixed the issue.
Actually I just reinstalled asc11 and it think it was malwarebytes that messed up asc11 just when I had my problem with everything

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